May I also suggest you view the YouTube presentation I produced on the 25th anniversary of the crash. It provides additional information. As ALPA Council #024 Chairman, I represented all the pilots killed that night, and had flown that airplane many times, including several weeks before it went down. I have worked ever since to have the NTSB investigation reopened.. Perhaps the Krick lawsuit will force that issue. My wife and I attended Oliver Kricks funeral as a representative of ALPA. I told his parents at that time that I would do all in my power to see that the real cause of their son's death would be revealed. A link to that video is:
Thank you for your efforts in producing the presentation. I'll make sure to review it. This incident was the start of a slow realization for me about 25 years ago that I had been naive about many things the government told us.
I strongly urge everyone to watch Jack's C-Span presentation listed in this article. It is free and if you still have any respect for the government you won't until they finally are truthful about this horrible incident. Those who perished included fifty-three employees of TWA and a class of high schoolers on a trip to Paris. The cover-up will make you mad and the loss of life will make you sad.
Researchers at the Bruntingthorpe Proving Ground in the UK were unable to induce an explosion of a 747 center fuel tank. After duplicating the approximate fuel level and temperature of TWA 800’s tank, they found it wouldn’t explode even when using ignition sources of far higher energy than were present inside the TWA 800 tank.
As the great physicist Richard Feynman once said, "It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn’t agree with experiment, it’s wrong."
Bruntingthorpe Aerodrome - 1997 Boeing 747 Explosion Test
1997 Boeing 747 Explosion Test
In 1997, the airfield was used by the Federal Aviation Administration of the USA and the Civil Aviation Authority to conduct a test to study the effects of a terrorist planted bomb explosion on board a wide-body aircraft such as had happened over Lockerbie. The test used an ex-Air France Boeing 747-100, and four similar sized bombs were detonated at the same time, two in each underfloor luggage compartment, in opposite corners. Three of the four corners where the explosions were to take place were thoroughly protected by kevlar or titanium, but the rear left hand corner of the rear luggage compartment was deliberately left unprotected, to see what the effect would be. Many cameras were positioned inside the aircraft and round it outside, and there is a well known photograph of the rear port side of the aircraft being blown out. There was no damage elsewhere, the protective measures having completely contained the other three explosions. Photographs of the test were later involved in a hoax photography, which supposedly showed an Air Canada Boeing 747 with its back half exploding on landing. The photo was however an edit of an Air Canada Boeing 747 landing normally with the photo of the explosion test stitched onto the back of the aircraft.
Excellent article. Stalcup’s findings is the glue showing how all the pieces fit together just as described in your book. If someone exercised even the slightest bit of logic, those tests would not have been carried out in that area, and those lives would not have been lost. While any compensation would be insufficient to the families, I would pray those responsible will be made to pay dearly for their incompetence and ignorance, and those involved in the coverup are dealt with severely.
I was on a flight to Cancun, Mexico, when Flight 800 happened. Arrived at the resort to find everyone glued to a lobby television screen. There was more truth available immediately after the plane was blown up than forever after. I have read everything Cashill has published on this. The U.S. Navy blew up this plane. The FBI fabricated false witness statements out of thin air, suppressed truth, gaslighted families and the public, and they have done so ever since.
In answer to your first question, probably USS Cape St. George Guided Missile Carrier. The Navy admitted to, and subsequently denied, engaging in Aegis missile testing off the East Coast concomitant with commercial flights taking off and landing. Witness testimony described seeing a military type vessel speeding away after the plane broke up.
I can only conjecture that various incentives and/or threats were made to witnesses to cause maintenance of silence. There are second and third hand accounts of sailors telling relatives that brass disappeared suddenly into emergency conferences immediately after the event.
Ditto. Too scared.
I have not investigated every individual who might have been aboard that day, but I have read about FBI interviews of witnesses, which, when read to same, were completely denied by the witnesses. Characters assassinated. Witnesses told they did not see what they said they saw. FBI taking control of what the NTSB should have had control over. Missile residue on the backs of seats in the reassembled plane. Investigators being imprisoned.
Are you related to Jack Cashill?
I do not know why my numbering of responses disappeared.
The command history of USS Cape St. George (CG-71) does not exclude the possibility that she may have also been present or in the vicinity. She left homeport Norfolk on 11 July, ostensibly to avoid Hurricane Bertha, then began training exercises on 18 July.
Three questions: 1. What was the name of the Navy ship that fired the missile? 2. Why, in 28 years, has not a single sailor on that ship ever confirmed the missile firing? 3. Why has no one suffered an attack of conscience and remorse and admitted their role in the alleged cover-up?
As I recall, the ship was USS Carr (FFG-52), and this missile exercise also involved the nuclear submarine USS Seawolf (SSN-21) and Navy P-3 patrol aircraft. This info is in the video linked above by Captain Al Francis.
The USS Carr (FFG-52) was not involved in the TWA Flight 800 incident. The USS Carr was on a scheduled deployment in the Mediterranean Sea at the time of the crash. The TWA Flight 800 accident occurred off the coast of Long Island, New York.
In answer to your first question, probably USS Cape St. George Guided Missile Carrier. The Navy admitted to, and subsequently denied, engaging in Aegis missile testing off the East Coast concomitant with commercial flights taking off and landing. Witness testimony described seeing a military type vessel speeding away after the plane broke up.
I can only conjecture that various incentives and/or threats were made to witnesses to cause maintenance of silence. There are second and third hand accounts of sailors telling relatives that brass disappeared suddenly into emergency conferences immediately after the event.
Ditto. Too scared.
I have not investigated every individual who might have been aboard that day, but I have read about FBI interviews of witnesses, which, when read to same, were completely denied by the witnesses. Characters assassinated. Witnesses told they did not see what they said they saw. FBI taking control of what the NTSB should have had control over. Missile residue on the backs of seats in the reassembled plane. Investigators being imprisoned.
TWA Flight 800 Missile Impact Analysis by Richard Bott Survivability Division Systems Engineering Department DECEMBER 1997
This report documents the results of a study conducted between October 1996 and October 1997 of the wreckage of TWA Flight 800. The work was performed for the Department of Defense's Office of Special Technology. The report was reviewed for technical accuracy by C. Frankenberger and T. Dougherty. The findings of this study are preliminary in nature, and the report is released at the working level. .. R. A. HORTON, Head Survivability Division Systems Engineering Department 2 December 1997
No conclusive evidence of missile impacts exists on any of the recovered wreckage of TWA Flight 800. No evidence of high-velocity fragment impacts exists. which indicates a live warhead did not detonate within or near the exterior of the aircraft. Additionally, a detailed inspection and analysis of all areas that a missile with a dud warhead could have impacted revealed no evidence of foreign object impacts consistent with this scenario.
The possibility that a shoulder-launched missile was launched at TWA Flight 800, failed to intercept it, self-destructed in close proximity, and initiated the breakup of the aircraft is highly improbable.
Jack, just several years ago I saw a video where a black US Navy sailor came forward in an act of conscience and shared some details of the incident. I recall him saying he was working in the ship’s Combat Information Center (CIC) and that they knew immediately what took place. Those in the know were given strict gag orders by the DoD, but this man said he could not live with that anymore.
Rick, yes, this fellow did come forward. His name is William Teele .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hJZOQYof18 He knows what he is talking about. One of his colleagues called and confirmed his testimony just a few weeks ago. He claims to have been on the USS Carr, not the ship that fired the missiles. The captain says the Carr was in for repairs at the time of the crash. Needs further confirmation.
In comments made on another video, William Teele identifies the ship which actually fired the missile(s) as a cruiser, the same one which later crashed into USS Theodore Roosevelt.
From there, the puzzle is easy to solve using the Navy’s own command histories: the ship which rammed into CVN 71 was CG 55, the cruiser USS Leyte Gulf.
Mr Teele is speaking from a crew member perspective aboard USS Carr, and he mentions the ship’s captain (Commander) Wray as being present for discussions after the shoot-down of TWA 800. Teele’s interview suggests that it was another ship, not the Carr, which fired the missile(s).
Bill Clinton’s Executive Order 13039 removed Federal whistleblower protections for Navy personnel involved in this operation, including the rescue, cleanup, and retrieval efforts afterwards.
If you are in favor of an honest investigation of TWA 800, please write to President Trump and request he revoke (or modify) Executive Order 13039, signed by Bill Clinton, the existence of which poses a significant obstacle to potential witnesses within the Navy Special Weapons Development Group by removing their Federal whistleblower protections.
I still have a few newspaper clipping of the TWA 800 incident. I was working at a major defense contractor out on the West Coast when it happened. The initial reports and even some photos were in the next day's papers. One clearly showed a missile flying toward the plane. Later that photo disappeared and the papers said it was a hobby rocket. People at a wedding party on the docks, or near the ocean, took pictures and watched it happen. All that testimony, as the article states, was not allowed. But it was in the initial newspaper stories.
There were two theories as to what happened. The U.S. Navy missile test was one, the other was that missile, was launched from the hold of a 'mysterious tanker ship' off the coast of NYC, that hurriedly left the scene. This incident, I believe, without going to Google, happened after our U.S. Navy had mistakenly shot down a commercial jet airliner with a couple hundred Iranian citizens aboard. The theory was this was payback from the Iranians.
At the end, it didn't matter which of those two theories was correct as the whole 'missile' part of it was discredited by the miltary/industrial/newz complex. They simply said there was no missile and that the fuel tank had exploded. A wire running through the fuel tank.
As someone who has historical memory and a relatively intact brain, and who thinks about things instead of just accepting what some character says, I KNEW it couldn't have been the fuel tanks.
How did I know that? Well, a couple months or so before the 800 incident, one of my co-workers came in late as he had to have his car serviced, a relatively new Buick, forget which model. Turns out the car needed a new fuel pump. We asked Vince, how much the repair had set him back. I can't remember how much, but it was extensive. He said that the whole gas tank had to be replaced, as the fuel pump was INSIDE the gas tank. (Well, when I was a young guy working on my own car, a 1952 Ford Mainliner, the fuel pump was mounted on the OUTSIDE of the engine.)
Some of you are already scratching your heads. A electrically powered pump bathed in gasoline? That sounds insane. And gasoline is way more volatile than aviation fuel.
Hans, you will likely know more about this than I, but this was the case.
So, why weren't cars blowing up on occasion because sparks from fuel pumps 'in their gas tanks?'
I'll leave that part out. The point is, it could not have been the gas tank. Further proof: There were hundreds of 747s flying at that time. If that were the cause they all would have been grounded. That grounding never happened.
So, I and many others, who had some technical know how, knew that the government was lying to us.
One further thought about this. There was at that time terroristic attacks on U.S. interests at home and abroad. People were searched before getting on flights, although not as thoroughly as today. But the government knew that if people believed that getting on a jet airliner would make you a sitting duck to terrorists with missiles or U.S. Navy personnel 'screwing up' and letting one get away, they would never fly. The airline industry would collapse, taking the economy with it.
President Bill Clinton signed Executive Order 13039 in March 1997, which exempted members of the Navy Special Warfare Development Group from Federal whistleblower protections.
Could there have been someone notable that needed an exit with plausible deniability? Anymore you can’t overlook all possibilities knowing our government has been weaponized against us.
I know a crazy conspiracy theory.
Good luck on your conclusions to bring closure to families
Kash Patel has his hands full explaining why Jeffrey Epstein was in police custody and his former girlfriend or wife, Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison today, when there is zero evidence of any crime committed by either. I think Jack Cashill has the skills to expose this government cover-up, and also he could expose the Israeli government cover up of its awareness of the October 7 attack well before it happened, and its "stand down order" to make certain enough harm was done to justify a series of regime change wars that PM Netanyahu had been lobbying the US for for decades. And which only one country remains to be toppled.
May I also suggest you view the YouTube presentation I produced on the 25th anniversary of the crash. It provides additional information. As ALPA Council #024 Chairman, I represented all the pilots killed that night, and had flown that airplane many times, including several weeks before it went down. I have worked ever since to have the NTSB investigation reopened.. Perhaps the Krick lawsuit will force that issue. My wife and I attended Oliver Kricks funeral as a representative of ALPA. I told his parents at that time that I would do all in my power to see that the real cause of their son's death would be revealed. A link to that video is:
https://youtu.be/4gEoyRLLb_Y?si=QJlOY__U4JvZwcr5&t=1
Captain Al Francis
TWA - Retired
I have met scores of TWA veterans, and they all agree with Captain Al.
More importantly, what do 747 pilots think about it?
Thank you for your efforts in producing the presentation. I'll make sure to review it. This incident was the start of a slow realization for me about 25 years ago that I had been naive about many things the government told us.
I strongly urge everyone to watch Jack's C-Span presentation listed in this article. It is free and if you still have any respect for the government you won't until they finally are truthful about this horrible incident. Those who perished included fifty-three employees of TWA and a class of high schoolers on a trip to Paris. The cover-up will make you mad and the loss of life will make you sad.
It was the most egregious, in-your-face example of cover-up I can think of, because the public itself was mocked and silenced in hearings!
Researchers at the Bruntingthorpe Proving Ground in the UK were unable to induce an explosion of a 747 center fuel tank. After duplicating the approximate fuel level and temperature of TWA 800’s tank, they found it wouldn’t explode even when using ignition sources of far higher energy than were present inside the TWA 800 tank.
As the great physicist Richard Feynman once said, "It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn’t agree with experiment, it’s wrong."
Bruntingthorpe Aerodrome - 1997 Boeing 747 Explosion Test
1997 Boeing 747 Explosion Test
In 1997, the airfield was used by the Federal Aviation Administration of the USA and the Civil Aviation Authority to conduct a test to study the effects of a terrorist planted bomb explosion on board a wide-body aircraft such as had happened over Lockerbie. The test used an ex-Air France Boeing 747-100, and four similar sized bombs were detonated at the same time, two in each underfloor luggage compartment, in opposite corners. Three of the four corners where the explosions were to take place were thoroughly protected by kevlar or titanium, but the rear left hand corner of the rear luggage compartment was deliberately left unprotected, to see what the effect would be. Many cameras were positioned inside the aircraft and round it outside, and there is a well known photograph of the rear port side of the aircraft being blown out. There was no damage elsewhere, the protective measures having completely contained the other three explosions. Photographs of the test were later involved in a hoax photography, which supposedly showed an Air Canada Boeing 747 with its back half exploding on landing. The photo was however an edit of an Air Canada Boeing 747 landing normally with the photo of the explosion test stitched onto the back of the aircraft.
https://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/pdf/TG1.pdf
https://udayton.edu/udri/news/2002-10-18-key-finding-in-faa-study.php
In the closing paragraph UDRI spells out its conflicts of interest as a major DoD contractor that does "sponsored” research.
Almost all research is sponsored. It does not mean that the outcome is preordained.
Excellent article. Stalcup’s findings is the glue showing how all the pieces fit together just as described in your book. If someone exercised even the slightest bit of logic, those tests would not have been carried out in that area, and those lives would not have been lost. While any compensation would be insufficient to the families, I would pray those responsible will be made to pay dearly for their incompetence and ignorance, and those involved in the coverup are dealt with severely.
Another coverup by the Bureaucracy that runs. D. C !
I was on a flight to Cancun, Mexico, when Flight 800 happened. Arrived at the resort to find everyone glued to a lobby television screen. There was more truth available immediately after the plane was blown up than forever after. I have read everything Cashill has published on this. The U.S. Navy blew up this plane. The FBI fabricated false witness statements out of thin air, suppressed truth, gaslighted families and the public, and they have done so ever since.
In answer to your first question, probably USS Cape St. George Guided Missile Carrier. The Navy admitted to, and subsequently denied, engaging in Aegis missile testing off the East Coast concomitant with commercial flights taking off and landing. Witness testimony described seeing a military type vessel speeding away after the plane broke up.
I can only conjecture that various incentives and/or threats were made to witnesses to cause maintenance of silence. There are second and third hand accounts of sailors telling relatives that brass disappeared suddenly into emergency conferences immediately after the event.
Ditto. Too scared.
I have not investigated every individual who might have been aboard that day, but I have read about FBI interviews of witnesses, which, when read to same, were completely denied by the witnesses. Characters assassinated. Witnesses told they did not see what they said they saw. FBI taking control of what the NTSB should have had control over. Missile residue on the backs of seats in the reassembled plane. Investigators being imprisoned.
Are you related to Jack Cashill?
I do not know why my numbering of responses disappeared.
The command history of USS Cape St. George (CG-71) does not exclude the possibility that she may have also been present or in the vicinity. She left homeport Norfolk on 11 July, ostensibly to avoid Hurricane Bertha, then began training exercises on 18 July.
Three questions: 1. What was the name of the Navy ship that fired the missile? 2. Why, in 28 years, has not a single sailor on that ship ever confirmed the missile firing? 3. Why has no one suffered an attack of conscience and remorse and admitted their role in the alleged cover-up?
As I recall, the ship was USS Carr (FFG-52), and this missile exercise also involved the nuclear submarine USS Seawolf (SSN-21) and Navy P-3 patrol aircraft. This info is in the video linked above by Captain Al Francis.
The USS Carr (FFG-52) was not involved in the TWA Flight 800 incident. The USS Carr was on a scheduled deployment in the Mediterranean Sea at the time of the crash. The TWA Flight 800 accident occurred off the coast of Long Island, New York.
According to the Carr’s command history, she did not deploy to the Mediterranean until November of 1996. TWA 800 was shot down on July 17, 1996.
In answer to your first question, probably USS Cape St. George Guided Missile Carrier. The Navy admitted to, and subsequently denied, engaging in Aegis missile testing off the East Coast concomitant with commercial flights taking off and landing. Witness testimony described seeing a military type vessel speeding away after the plane broke up.
I can only conjecture that various incentives and/or threats were made to witnesses to cause maintenance of silence. There are second and third hand accounts of sailors telling relatives that brass disappeared suddenly into emergency conferences immediately after the event.
Ditto. Too scared.
I have not investigated every individual who might have been aboard that day, but I have read about FBI interviews of witnesses, which, when read to same, were completely denied by the witnesses. Characters assassinated. Witnesses told they did not see what they said they saw. FBI taking control of what the NTSB should have had control over. Missile residue on the backs of seats in the reassembled plane. Investigators being imprisoned.
Are you related to Jack Cahill?
I am his slightly older, better looking brother!
TWA Flight 800 Missile Impact Analysis by Richard Bott Survivability Division Systems Engineering Department DECEMBER 1997
This report documents the results of a study conducted between October 1996 and October 1997 of the wreckage of TWA Flight 800. The work was performed for the Department of Defense's Office of Special Technology. The report was reviewed for technical accuracy by C. Frankenberger and T. Dougherty. The findings of this study are preliminary in nature, and the report is released at the working level. .. R. A. HORTON, Head Survivability Division Systems Engineering Department 2 December 1997
No conclusive evidence of missile impacts exists on any of the recovered wreckage of TWA Flight 800. No evidence of high-velocity fragment impacts exists. which indicates a live warhead did not detonate within or near the exterior of the aircraft. Additionally, a detailed inspection and analysis of all areas that a missile with a dud warhead could have impacted revealed no evidence of foreign object impacts consistent with this scenario.
The possibility that a shoulder-launched missile was launched at TWA Flight 800, failed to intercept it, self-destructed in close proximity, and initiated the breakup of the aircraft is highly improbable.
Sanders
Jack, just several years ago I saw a video where a black US Navy sailor came forward in an act of conscience and shared some details of the incident. I recall him saying he was working in the ship’s Combat Information Center (CIC) and that they knew immediately what took place. Those in the know were given strict gag orders by the DoD, but this man said he could not live with that anymore.
Rick, yes, this fellow did come forward. His name is William Teele .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hJZOQYof18 He knows what he is talking about. One of his colleagues called and confirmed his testimony just a few weeks ago. He claims to have been on the USS Carr, not the ship that fired the missiles. The captain says the Carr was in for repairs at the time of the crash. Needs further confirmation.
In comments made on another video, William Teele identifies the ship which actually fired the missile(s) as a cruiser, the same one which later crashed into USS Theodore Roosevelt.
From there, the puzzle is easy to solve using the Navy’s own command histories: the ship which rammed into CVN 71 was CG 55, the cruiser USS Leyte Gulf.
Mr Teele is speaking from a crew member perspective aboard USS Carr, and he mentions the ship’s captain (Commander) Wray as being present for discussions after the shoot-down of TWA 800. Teele’s interview suggests that it was another ship, not the Carr, which fired the missile(s).
Has Teele ever testified under oath?
Bill Clinton’s Executive Order 13039 removed Federal whistleblower protections for Navy personnel involved in this operation, including the rescue, cleanup, and retrieval efforts afterwards.
6 months after the crash.
No record of this on Google or elsewhere.
Google, among other search engines manipulates and suppresses content.
Still need a verifiable source for this info. Also, if so important, why no reporting from upstream, downstream or mainstream media on this?
Truth is the first victim of coverups.
Seems more likely the missile was the cause. Too many eyewitnesses reported seeing a rocket headed up to the plane.
If you are in favor of an honest investigation of TWA 800, please write to President Trump and request he revoke (or modify) Executive Order 13039, signed by Bill Clinton, the existence of which poses a significant obstacle to potential witnesses within the Navy Special Weapons Development Group by removing their Federal whistleblower protections.
I still have a few newspaper clipping of the TWA 800 incident. I was working at a major defense contractor out on the West Coast when it happened. The initial reports and even some photos were in the next day's papers. One clearly showed a missile flying toward the plane. Later that photo disappeared and the papers said it was a hobby rocket. People at a wedding party on the docks, or near the ocean, took pictures and watched it happen. All that testimony, as the article states, was not allowed. But it was in the initial newspaper stories.
There were two theories as to what happened. The U.S. Navy missile test was one, the other was that missile, was launched from the hold of a 'mysterious tanker ship' off the coast of NYC, that hurriedly left the scene. This incident, I believe, without going to Google, happened after our U.S. Navy had mistakenly shot down a commercial jet airliner with a couple hundred Iranian citizens aboard. The theory was this was payback from the Iranians.
At the end, it didn't matter which of those two theories was correct as the whole 'missile' part of it was discredited by the miltary/industrial/newz complex. They simply said there was no missile and that the fuel tank had exploded. A wire running through the fuel tank.
As someone who has historical memory and a relatively intact brain, and who thinks about things instead of just accepting what some character says, I KNEW it couldn't have been the fuel tanks.
How did I know that? Well, a couple months or so before the 800 incident, one of my co-workers came in late as he had to have his car serviced, a relatively new Buick, forget which model. Turns out the car needed a new fuel pump. We asked Vince, how much the repair had set him back. I can't remember how much, but it was extensive. He said that the whole gas tank had to be replaced, as the fuel pump was INSIDE the gas tank. (Well, when I was a young guy working on my own car, a 1952 Ford Mainliner, the fuel pump was mounted on the OUTSIDE of the engine.)
Some of you are already scratching your heads. A electrically powered pump bathed in gasoline? That sounds insane. And gasoline is way more volatile than aviation fuel.
Hans, you will likely know more about this than I, but this was the case.
So, why weren't cars blowing up on occasion because sparks from fuel pumps 'in their gas tanks?'
I'll leave that part out. The point is, it could not have been the gas tank. Further proof: There were hundreds of 747s flying at that time. If that were the cause they all would have been grounded. That grounding never happened.
So, I and many others, who had some technical know how, knew that the government was lying to us.
One further thought about this. There was at that time terroristic attacks on U.S. interests at home and abroad. People were searched before getting on flights, although not as thoroughly as today. But the government knew that if people believed that getting on a jet airliner would make you a sitting duck to terrorists with missiles or U.S. Navy personnel 'screwing up' and letting one get away, they would never fly. The airline industry would collapse, taking the economy with it.
Good work
President Bill Clinton signed Executive Order 13039 in March 1997, which exempted members of the Navy Special Warfare Development Group from Federal whistleblower protections.
Could there have been someone notable that needed an exit with plausible deniability? Anymore you can’t overlook all possibilities knowing our government has been weaponized against us.
I know a crazy conspiracy theory.
Good luck on your conclusions to bring closure to families
Kash Patel has his hands full explaining why Jeffrey Epstein was in police custody and his former girlfriend or wife, Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison today, when there is zero evidence of any crime committed by either. I think Jack Cashill has the skills to expose this government cover-up, and also he could expose the Israeli government cover up of its awareness of the October 7 attack well before it happened, and its "stand down order" to make certain enough harm was done to justify a series of regime change wars that PM Netanyahu had been lobbying the US for for decades. And which only one country remains to be toppled.
why no debris from the missile?
There was. See my YouTube video mentioned above.
You won't find what you aren't looking for.