I sincerely hope that Trump granting a full pardon from the federal trial and sentence. I also firmly believe that Chauvin has a federal appeal on the habeas corpus under his six amendment rights to a fair trial in the state trial. Let’s get some top-flight appeals attorneys on this, Chauvin should’ve never been convicted of anything
Granting him a Federal pardon wouldn't take care of the state charges. It would mean that he goes to a state prison -- a worse place than where he is now.
I posted and I believe he has a 6th amendment constitutional case that he did not get a fair trial in state court hat can be appealed to a federal court and he has a good chance of winning
do not waste your time learning to read -i said nothing about the 6th amendment having to do with pardons--- the amendment has been over the years used to appeal that was"unfair" for many reasons
Sixth Amendment
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. Sixth Amendment Activities. Apply landmark Supreme Court cases to contemporary scenarios related to your right to counsel and your right to a fair trial.
Exactly. That’s why the current administration will NOT grant him a pardon and why he so easily accepted the federal charges. He is in a medium security prison now and is rumoured to be sent to a LOW security prison. But, he must be kept safe from future stabbings.
Actually you are quite correct. I heard in the news just a couple of weeks ago that Gov.Tampon Tim Walz had announced in anticipation of a possible Trump pardon of Chauvin that under no circumstances would Minnesota pardon Chauvin of the state charges, nor would he recognize a possible Trump pardon of the Federal charges. I am skeptical (and may be wrong) that Trump would go anywhere near a Chauvin pardon of the Federal charges. Chauvin has a very difficult mountain to climb and I have sympathy for him, but his best bet with his lawyers is probably push for a new trial. But having to get past and through Walz and AG Ellison in Minnesota, it certainly won't be easy.
I would not go that far. There is no doubt that Chauvin should not have been convicted of murder. But his hands were hardly clean. I can forsee a Chauvin conviction for such contributory charges as Reckless Endangerment, Assault, Improper Use of Force, Improper Restraint, etc with a resulting conviction of these types of charges leading to a prison term of several years duration also. Presuming of course that the trial constitutionality was beyond reproach-which of course this one was not per the lead story here.
If his following these guidelines contributed to Floyd's serious injuries (which surely they did) according to the laws and necessary elements pertaining to the offenses that I mentioned, I doubt that it would be a legitimate defense, and certainly not an effective one. It sounds like a Nuremberg type of defense for the Nazis after WWII that they were just following orders; I doubt that it would fly. What Chauvin did to effect this arrest, I am sure has not been attempted in Minnesota since then.
You are an idiot who has probably never been in a street fight. These little theoretical niceties are meaningless when grappling with a stoned, VERY LARGE career criminal. Chauvin is a fucking hero for stepping up and protecting the people of that community. Not only should he be pardoned, but he should sue the living shit out of everyone from Keith "I hate Whitey and beat my girlfriend while her son screams in terror" Ellison on down.
I am the idiot, but Chauvin was protecting the people of that community who were present in force witnessing him sitting on the guy's neck and yelling at him about it which he of course ignored. Also it was the people of that community who convicted the guy. I think any cop who attempts to "protect the people of his community" by sitting on the neck of arrested defendants is a cop who will very quickly wind up in Chauvin's shoes. If I am a idiot, I certainly take a back seat to Chauvin as well as to you for defending his actions. All of that said, I again, do agree that Chauvin got a very raw deal in his conviction for murder. And I do hope that the next time you are arrested a cop does not sit on your neck. Law books are filled with "theoretical niceities" which people are convicted of every day.
“There were no medical indications of asphyxia or strangulation.” There was no evidence of asphyxiation of any kind. Felon Floyd died from his bad heart condition, likely exacerbated by his drug use & covid. Chauvin acted exactly according to police procedure, his actions DID NOT CAUSE DEATH. ; https://spectator.org/5-years-what-media-need-know-about-george-floyd/
Let me say the comparing this to a defense at Nuremberg is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. When I talk about following the guidelines, I am talking about not illegal orders. I am talking about guidelines in place at the police department and talk to the police in that department, doing subjects to arrest ! If those guidelines were subsequently changed, that is a whole other question and would not apply to Chauvin retroactively
So called police guidelines in a personnel manual or whatever, do not take precedent over the criminal code. Hey knock yourself out. Offer your services to Chauvin as a lawyer to get him off by your brilliant expose as to these wonderful guidelines in his police manual. I doubt that you'd get very far. I will reiterate; Chauvin did not commit murder and should not have been convicted of such, but he was hardly blameless, and should have been held accountable for what he did. It is called justice; and if that is ridiculous; too bad!
Did you watch the whole "trial" it was a bad joke. And the police bodycams showed him drugged up at the wheel of his car. Placed alone in the back of a police car Floyd was saying, " I can't breath, I can't breath " and nobody was near him. He scrambled out and then the knee business took place, but the bruise was on his back not his neck, and his main artery was 90% blocked.
Everything he did was legal and well within the law. The policeman did offer to be charged reckless endangerment but asshole Ellison charged him with all three.
If you watch the newly released tape, I see four officers dispassionately and professionally going about their duties in detaining a frantic guy fighting the police from the moment they arrived.
It is nothing short of appalling that a good man has been imprisoned for arresting a serial criminal, stoned animal who resisted arrest. The Blessed St George Floyd was already in the back of the police car. Had he just sat his ass down and gone to jail, none of this would have happened. But no - this 20-time loser high as a kite on the drugs that killed him, fought his way back OUT of the police car and had to be restrained. Democrats are complete assholes. Period.
They simply doctored up the autopsy and sacrificed Chauvin. Rather than display any courage or later shame, an innocent man now sits behind bars dodging vicious knife attacks by sociopaths. Can you imagine your life in the hands of Tim Walz?
We have been saying it since day one. Floyd had enough fentanyl in his system, that if he had been shot and bled out, the officers would have ODed on the fumes. No more, no less.
This was a political show trial with the fascist Antifa and Black Lies Matter on hand to make sure that the "racism & the racist" was punished.
The question of the day is, "When do the arrests start?" Perhaps they should start in Minneapolis, because of the strong evidence of criminal civil rights violations during Chauvin’s trial.
Hmmm, a trial is to be conducted in such a manner as to not upset the minorities involved. Good to know for those of us who are not of the minorities breaking the law. The tacit approval to burn down a communist-controlled city is preferable over wrongly convicting an innocent person or police officer.
I don't know - you tell us, lunatic Susan "Osama bin Laden never even existed and Bush personally rigged the Twin Towers with Mossad's help at midnight on 9/10/2001" Daniels.
Not to play the devil’s advocate but Derek Chauvin’s record as a police officer left a lot to be desired making him the perfect patsy/pigeon for Ellison’s sham trial. I knew by reading his profile after the incident that he was no choir boy himself and he would most certainly be charged and convicted. I feel sorry for those who became collateral damage because of his less than stellar past performance as an LEO. That said, yes I agree he was railroaded and that all who were involved should do hard time themselves but normally that’s not how it turns out.
I agree wholeheartedly, but you’re being too kind describing Chauvin as less than professional. I’m a 66 year old, white, conservative male and Derek Chauvin is exactly the kind of cop I wouldn’t want pulling me over.
The whole deal was corrupt from the beginning until the end. This is what happens when race trumps common sense and fact. Lies and deception become paramount over truth and justice.
We knew when it happened it wasn’t a murder. George Floyd died from an overdose. All involved caved to what they believed to be public perception when the truth should have prevailed. The judge, the coroner and the officials involved in the corruption surrounding the police officers charged with murder is a disgrace to our community, State and people!
Cahill’s sentencing order says it all. He relied on the organized deception to make the outcome to look like justice. The cabal learned from its mistakes when it tried the same thing with Michael Brown.
I sincerely hope that Trump granting a full pardon from the federal trial and sentence. I also firmly believe that Chauvin has a federal appeal on the habeas corpus under his six amendment rights to a fair trial in the state trial. Let’s get some top-flight appeals attorneys on this, Chauvin should’ve never been convicted of anything
Granting him a Federal pardon wouldn't take care of the state charges. It would mean that he goes to a state prison -- a worse place than where he is now.
Is it too much to ask people to think?
I posted and I believe he has a 6th amendment constitutional case that he did not get a fair trial in state court hat can be appealed to a federal court and he has a good chance of winning
You believe wrong. Not wasting my time arguing with someone who can't even be bothered to look up law on AI.
The 6th amendment guarantees a right to a speedy trial, etc. It does not grant the president authority over pardons.
do not waste your time learning to read -i said nothing about the 6th amendment having to do with pardons--- the amendment has been over the years used to appeal that was"unfair" for many reasons
Sixth Amendment
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. Sixth Amendment Activities. Apply landmark Supreme Court cases to contemporary scenarios related to your right to counsel and your right to a fair trial.
Exactly. That’s why the current administration will NOT grant him a pardon and why he so easily accepted the federal charges. He is in a medium security prison now and is rumoured to be sent to a LOW security prison. But, he must be kept safe from future stabbings.
Actually you are quite correct. I heard in the news just a couple of weeks ago that Gov.Tampon Tim Walz had announced in anticipation of a possible Trump pardon of Chauvin that under no circumstances would Minnesota pardon Chauvin of the state charges, nor would he recognize a possible Trump pardon of the Federal charges. I am skeptical (and may be wrong) that Trump would go anywhere near a Chauvin pardon of the Federal charges. Chauvin has a very difficult mountain to climb and I have sympathy for him, but his best bet with his lawyers is probably push for a new trial. But having to get past and through Walz and AG Ellison in Minnesota, it certainly won't be easy.
I would not go that far. There is no doubt that Chauvin should not have been convicted of murder. But his hands were hardly clean. I can forsee a Chauvin conviction for such contributory charges as Reckless Endangerment, Assault, Improper Use of Force, Improper Restraint, etc with a resulting conviction of these types of charges leading to a prison term of several years duration also. Presuming of course that the trial constitutionality was beyond reproach-which of course this one was not per the lead story here.
Thank you for your reply, but I believe from everything I have seen and read that he was within the guidelines
If his following these guidelines contributed to Floyd's serious injuries (which surely they did) according to the laws and necessary elements pertaining to the offenses that I mentioned, I doubt that it would be a legitimate defense, and certainly not an effective one. It sounds like a Nuremberg type of defense for the Nazis after WWII that they were just following orders; I doubt that it would fly. What Chauvin did to effect this arrest, I am sure has not been attempted in Minnesota since then.
You are an idiot who has probably never been in a street fight. These little theoretical niceties are meaningless when grappling with a stoned, VERY LARGE career criminal. Chauvin is a fucking hero for stepping up and protecting the people of that community. Not only should he be pardoned, but he should sue the living shit out of everyone from Keith "I hate Whitey and beat my girlfriend while her son screams in terror" Ellison on down.
Absolutely
I am the idiot, but Chauvin was protecting the people of that community who were present in force witnessing him sitting on the guy's neck and yelling at him about it which he of course ignored. Also it was the people of that community who convicted the guy. I think any cop who attempts to "protect the people of his community" by sitting on the neck of arrested defendants is a cop who will very quickly wind up in Chauvin's shoes. If I am a idiot, I certainly take a back seat to Chauvin as well as to you for defending his actions. All of that said, I again, do agree that Chauvin got a very raw deal in his conviction for murder. And I do hope that the next time you are arrested a cop does not sit on your neck. Law books are filled with "theoretical niceities" which people are convicted of every day.
YAWN. Muting you; I have no time for this gibberish.
“There were no medical indications of asphyxia or strangulation.” There was no evidence of asphyxiation of any kind. Felon Floyd died from his bad heart condition, likely exacerbated by his drug use & covid. Chauvin acted exactly according to police procedure, his actions DID NOT CAUSE DEATH. ; https://spectator.org/5-years-what-media-need-know-about-george-floyd/
Let me say the comparing this to a defense at Nuremberg is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. When I talk about following the guidelines, I am talking about not illegal orders. I am talking about guidelines in place at the police department and talk to the police in that department, doing subjects to arrest ! If those guidelines were subsequently changed, that is a whole other question and would not apply to Chauvin retroactively
So called police guidelines in a personnel manual or whatever, do not take precedent over the criminal code. Hey knock yourself out. Offer your services to Chauvin as a lawyer to get him off by your brilliant expose as to these wonderful guidelines in his police manual. I doubt that you'd get very far. I will reiterate; Chauvin did not commit murder and should not have been convicted of such, but he was hardly blameless, and should have been held accountable for what he did. It is called justice; and if that is ridiculous; too bad!
Did you watch the whole "trial" it was a bad joke. And the police bodycams showed him drugged up at the wheel of his car. Placed alone in the back of a police car Floyd was saying, " I can't breath, I can't breath " and nobody was near him. He scrambled out and then the knee business took place, but the bruise was on his back not his neck, and his main artery was 90% blocked.
Everything he did was legal and well within the law. The policeman did offer to be charged reckless endangerment but asshole Ellison charged him with all three.
If you watch the newly released tape, I see four officers dispassionately and professionally going about their duties in detaining a frantic guy fighting the police from the moment they arrived.
What did you see?
Imagine Atticus Finch letting the mob in to the jail to lynch Tom Robinson.
That's Cahill.
Chauvin DID have Atticus Finch as attorney Nelson!
Most likely no lawyer could have kept Chauvin out of prison.
It was a kangaroo court.
The change of venue was even denied by the Supreme Court. WTF, Amy?
Not many profiles in courage among the supremes.
It is nothing short of appalling that a good man has been imprisoned for arresting a serial criminal, stoned animal who resisted arrest. The Blessed St George Floyd was already in the back of the police car. Had he just sat his ass down and gone to jail, none of this would have happened. But no - this 20-time loser high as a kite on the drugs that killed him, fought his way back OUT of the police car and had to be restrained. Democrats are complete assholes. Period.
They simply doctored up the autopsy and sacrificed Chauvin. Rather than display any courage or later shame, an innocent man now sits behind bars dodging vicious knife attacks by sociopaths. Can you imagine your life in the hands of Tim Walz?
We have been saying it since day one. Floyd had enough fentanyl in his system, that if he had been shot and bled out, the officers would have ODed on the fumes. No more, no less.
This was a political show trial with the fascist Antifa and Black Lies Matter on hand to make sure that the "racism & the racist" was punished.
It was a Banan Republic, Kangaroo Court, political show trial. I have given evidence in many trials and this was an absolute disgrace.
The pathologist caved too and changed the report.
The question of the day is, "When do the arrests start?" Perhaps they should start in Minneapolis, because of the strong evidence of criminal civil rights violations during Chauvin’s trial.
Tony Timpa never got all this attention...truly bizarre how the msm idolises criminals
Hmmm, a trial is to be conducted in such a manner as to not upset the minorities involved. Good to know for those of us who are not of the minorities breaking the law. The tacit approval to burn down a communist-controlled city is preferable over wrongly convicting an innocent person or police officer.
What a disgusting mess
And nothing done to the two lying police officers. Isn't lying under oath a crime?
I don't know - you tell us, lunatic Susan "Osama bin Laden never even existed and Bush personally rigged the Twin Towers with Mossad's help at midnight on 9/10/2001" Daniels.
Not to play the devil’s advocate but Derek Chauvin’s record as a police officer left a lot to be desired making him the perfect patsy/pigeon for Ellison’s sham trial. I knew by reading his profile after the incident that he was no choir boy himself and he would most certainly be charged and convicted. I feel sorry for those who became collateral damage because of his less than stellar past performance as an LEO. That said, yes I agree he was railroaded and that all who were involved should do hard time themselves but normally that’s not how it turns out.
I know Chauvin was less than professional, I was a police officer, but he was clearly not guilty of murder.
I agree wholeheartedly, but you’re being too kind describing Chauvin as less than professional. I’m a 66 year old, white, conservative male and Derek Chauvin is exactly the kind of cop I wouldn’t want pulling me over.
The whole deal was corrupt from the beginning until the end. This is what happens when race trumps common sense and fact. Lies and deception become paramount over truth and justice.
We knew when it happened it wasn’t a murder. George Floyd died from an overdose. All involved caved to what they believed to be public perception when the truth should have prevailed. The judge, the coroner and the officials involved in the corruption surrounding the police officers charged with murder is a disgrace to our community, State and people!
Cahill’s sentencing order says it all. He relied on the organized deception to make the outcome to look like justice. The cabal learned from its mistakes when it tried the same thing with Michael Brown.