I’ve also seen crime “rewarded” by a Judge. It was long ago in the late 1960’s after the riot in Newark. As a bank teller having received notice of a stolen passbook we were alerted to be on the lookout. An elderly customer at our branch had been assaulted and her purse containing a savings passbook taken. Later that morning, a black woman who I recognized from cashing her welfare check previously, presented that passbook with a withdrawal slip for $1,000. I told her I had to get that much money from the vault and signaled the manager to meet me there. Fast forward to several court appearances that were rescheduled until the last one where the case was not called. I inquired to find it was dismissed.
The presiding Judge, who coincidentally was also a customer and a family friend, came to my window a few days later. Asking what happened, he said the case was dismissed and the woman released. I was perplexed, Assault with bodily injury, robbery, forgery all dismissed; Why? The answer was they would have to find a place for her children.
Sarcastically, I said, “So they can grow up to be thugs and junkies?” He replied, They will anyway and it’s cheaper for the state to just leave things the way they are”
Not quite on the same scale as the Arbery case, but the logic then set the tone for cases involving minorities
Her children probably would be better in foster care. Where were they when she robbed the elderly woman, where were they when she came back to withdraw $1k from that woman’s account. In the car? Left home alone? Being held accountable is still the best way one learns.
Probably in school. or with another family. I used to hear them talking in line when the welfare checks came in. The women would take turns watching other peoples kids so they could do whatever that did to get extra money, shoplift, drink, turn tricks, sell some pot. I didn't want to know.
Yeah, I’ve been know to turn my head to the same. Then I thought how apathy is why we’re where we’re at. Like as long as it’s not happening to me, I’m good. It’s encroaching everyone & everywhere.
This was what a neighbor testified to. Unfortunately she even got the “animal “ wrong. “ The circumstances were correct, except the tenant was a WHITE female and Greg referred to her as “ his habitat for huge manatees “ we asked the lawyer to pull in the real tenant. Instead he chose to say that Greg rented to black people also.
The tragedy upon tragedy in this would be the total lack of a competent, unbiased media infrastructure. Imagine if this information was in the public sphere when the story of innocent jogger murdered was circulated. Then the totality of the circumstances could be evaluated on rightful/wrongful use of deadly force.
The appeals court ruling against the McMichaels and William Bryan is not surprising to me at all. But it is a terrible injustice that needs to be remedied at once! I call on President Trump to pardon Gregory and Travis McMichael and Roddie Bryan before his term is up. These are the facts: Ahmaud Arbery was a mentally ill serial thief who stole Travis’ gun and sized up homes and cars in the area so he could burglarize them. Greg and Travis lawfully made a citizen’s arrest of him in conjunction with law enforcement. They peacefully tried to get him to surrender but he ran away. Travis got out of the truck and tried to take Arbery alive and Arbery wrestled with him and tried to grab his gun. Travis shot and killed in self-defense. The idea Gregory is racist is also nonsense. Let’s examine the social media posts and statements the prosecution used one by one shall we? In the first post he’s not referring to black people but rather race hustlers. As Leigh McMichael explained in the comments here, the heavyset woman he was referring to was white and he called her a manatee not a walrus.
In the third he is lamenting how the Irish were held as slaves and indentured servants in this country and no one talks about that and that you don’t have the same culture of entitlement among Irish-Americans as you do in the black community. Lest I be misunderstood, I will expand on this statement. This is not to say ALL black people are entitled. Any group that has been trapped in cycles of poverty, dependency and learned helplessness would develop this. Entitlement is also a problem for example, you’d find among the coastal white poor in Britain. The other posts were pro-second amendment not pro-racial vigilantism. Also, for those who didn’t know and it’s not a very well-known fact, there was literal “I own you” Irish slavery in Colonial America. Yes, there were Irish indentured servants but that’s not what I’m talking about here.
English settlers in America held Irish slaves from the 1620s to the 1670s and in Barbados. They worked in the fields alongside black Africans slaves in the fields. Slave masters would often breed them together thinking their offspring made the ideal worker. In fact, at first African slaves were treated better that Irish slaves in Barbados because they came from farther away therefore were more expensive and therefore more of an investment. This is why the Africans would sometimes say the masters were “treating them like the Irish.” English slave catchers would go around kidnapping Irish men, women and children. Before their descendants were kidnapping black men, women and children and abusing and beating their black slaves, their ancestors had plenty of practice doing both to the Irish.
The Irish let’s not forget we’re also for a long time, not considered white in America. For instance, as researcher Herbert W. Byrd, Jr. noted in his book Proclamation 1625, his grandfather who was Irish was classified as coloured on his personal identification papers. It wasn’t until around the 1860s that the Irish started to be considered white. This is why in the Irish community folks would say they “could finally say they were “free, white and 21.” As to the Jesse Jackson quote, look, I know it is understandably a sensitive issue. But criminality is such a big problem in the black community. Both whites and blacks alike being afraid when they see a black person behind them isn’t racism. It’s a knee-jerk reflex we all have as humans after seeing so many black criminals being arrested on the news. To be sure, this has nothing to do with skin color or genetics but rather bad personal choices and African-American culture.
Is this reaction irrational and something we need to learn to keep in check and not make assumptions? Yes. But you can understand where it comes from. Having feelings like that isn’t racist. Allow me to provide a couple other examples. I remember I think it was on Dr. Phil, a white woman who sacred of black me. because she was raped by one. She wasn’t prejudice and worked to get past this fear, but I wouldn’t call her a racist for having it. Another example, when Liam Neeson admitted after he found out a female friend of his was raped and beaten by a black man, he admitted to just for a second wanting to kill a black man. Again, this isn’t racism, if it had been a Scot, Ulster Scot, Irishman, Welshman, German, Italian, Frenchman, Indian, Pakistani, or Arab, he would’ve wanted to kill a man from one of those groups. Again, he knew this thought was wrong and irrational and sought professional help to overcome it. Don’t label him a bigot for it.
I’d love to hear the state-sanctioned “therapy” used to treat such a malady. It’s probably one part repentance and two parts groveling, having Liam go out of his way to validate and praise likely perpetrators as equals. They can attempt every mental concoction to reshape natural, defensive human nature but it consequentially leaves us even more vulnerable than before.
As it is said and particularly so in this case “In the halls of justice the only justice is in the halls.” There is no impartiality in jury selection these days. The notion of 12 men tried and true went the way of quail at about the same time as the Johnson Administration heralded their “Great Society.” Hence that “Great Society” has cost the tax payers of the USA trillions with nothing of a great society to show for it. Additionally with the help of the great communicator Barrack Obama race relations have entered a new no go zone. Divisions not unity are the watch word. Slices of garlic too thick to melt in the melting pot. Unless there is a course correction it will not get better. One can only hope that in the fullness of time the three convicted defendants will receive some form of leniency. A sad story for a sad time.
The left here and abroad will never cease to stoke the flames of racism
Without it, they have no leverage
No way to agitate and coerce their ostensible constituents to vote for ge policies promised to solve the very problems their policies created in the first place
I know, I know …. It would be good if human justice was always fair and just, but we aren’t. Even though American Constitutional Justice is a brilliant system of Law and Governance, it still falls short in certain particulars of time and human culture. I remember reading “To Kill A Mockingbird” in high school. Although I grew up in a white faced Canadian social culture, I was already aware of the sorts of racial or religious prejudice that made life difficult and unfair. On one occasion when I was about eleven years old, 1958, a group of us kids was singing an old diddy, “Eeny, Meany, Miney, Moe. Catch a n’er by the toe. If he hollers …..” my mother was hanging clothes on the line and heard us.
”Randy!!”, she yelled, “Come here right now!” My mother never yelled. I knew I was in trouble. But I didn’t know why until she firmly explained to me how I was degrading a whole race of persons not of my colour. I was properly ashamed then, and today I am glad I learned the lesson early. Such casual and demeaning racialism continues to this day, of course, even in this particular case, however ironic.
I’m glad you are keeping this case alive, Jack. It is a miscarriage of justice, and I hope it is eventually corrected and these poor men are freed to return to their loved ones who are also suffering unjustly. Making someone suffer in order to prove a point isn’t justice. It’s vengeance.
The media said the McMichael's were motivated by racism. The facts state that they were motivated by what they saw on video and the quest to get to the bottom of it all. Once you remove race from the case, what are you left with? Community conscious men who were investigating suspicious behavior amidst theft reports. That case was lost in the story line of 3 white men chasing an innocent jogger and killing him for being black. The media failed to mention that this innocent jogger would come calling after dark to "inspect" the construction site, shall we. This case was to settle the score with blacks and law enforcement. That's really what it was about.
Thanks for keeping this case alive and in peoples minds.hopefully this injustice will be fixed before the dims can take power again
30+ career in law enforcement and not one complaint. He saved lives, and some were black. Not the character of a racist.
I’ve also seen crime “rewarded” by a Judge. It was long ago in the late 1960’s after the riot in Newark. As a bank teller having received notice of a stolen passbook we were alerted to be on the lookout. An elderly customer at our branch had been assaulted and her purse containing a savings passbook taken. Later that morning, a black woman who I recognized from cashing her welfare check previously, presented that passbook with a withdrawal slip for $1,000. I told her I had to get that much money from the vault and signaled the manager to meet me there. Fast forward to several court appearances that were rescheduled until the last one where the case was not called. I inquired to find it was dismissed.
The presiding Judge, who coincidentally was also a customer and a family friend, came to my window a few days later. Asking what happened, he said the case was dismissed and the woman released. I was perplexed, Assault with bodily injury, robbery, forgery all dismissed; Why? The answer was they would have to find a place for her children.
Sarcastically, I said, “So they can grow up to be thugs and junkies?” He replied, They will anyway and it’s cheaper for the state to just leave things the way they are”
Not quite on the same scale as the Arbery case, but the logic then set the tone for cases involving minorities
This logic has been in place for at least 60 years.
Her children probably would be better in foster care. Where were they when she robbed the elderly woman, where were they when she came back to withdraw $1k from that woman’s account. In the car? Left home alone? Being held accountable is still the best way one learns.
Probably in school. or with another family. I used to hear them talking in line when the welfare checks came in. The women would take turns watching other peoples kids so they could do whatever that did to get extra money, shoplift, drink, turn tricks, sell some pot. I didn't want to know.
Yeah, I’ve been know to turn my head to the same. Then I thought how apathy is why we’re where we’re at. Like as long as it’s not happening to me, I’m good. It’s encroaching everyone & everywhere.
This is the truth and no one cares because it fits their narrative.
This was what a neighbor testified to. Unfortunately she even got the “animal “ wrong. “ The circumstances were correct, except the tenant was a WHITE female and Greg referred to her as “ his habitat for huge manatees “ we asked the lawyer to pull in the real tenant. Instead he chose to say that Greg rented to black people also.
President Trump.
Please , we need your help with this .
The tragedy upon tragedy in this would be the total lack of a competent, unbiased media infrastructure. Imagine if this information was in the public sphere when the story of innocent jogger murdered was circulated. Then the totality of the circumstances could be evaluated on rightful/wrongful use of deadly force.
The appeals court ruling against the McMichaels and William Bryan is not surprising to me at all. But it is a terrible injustice that needs to be remedied at once! I call on President Trump to pardon Gregory and Travis McMichael and Roddie Bryan before his term is up. These are the facts: Ahmaud Arbery was a mentally ill serial thief who stole Travis’ gun and sized up homes and cars in the area so he could burglarize them. Greg and Travis lawfully made a citizen’s arrest of him in conjunction with law enforcement. They peacefully tried to get him to surrender but he ran away. Travis got out of the truck and tried to take Arbery alive and Arbery wrestled with him and tried to grab his gun. Travis shot and killed in self-defense. The idea Gregory is racist is also nonsense. Let’s examine the social media posts and statements the prosecution used one by one shall we? In the first post he’s not referring to black people but rather race hustlers. As Leigh McMichael explained in the comments here, the heavyset woman he was referring to was white and he called her a manatee not a walrus.
In the third he is lamenting how the Irish were held as slaves and indentured servants in this country and no one talks about that and that you don’t have the same culture of entitlement among Irish-Americans as you do in the black community. Lest I be misunderstood, I will expand on this statement. This is not to say ALL black people are entitled. Any group that has been trapped in cycles of poverty, dependency and learned helplessness would develop this. Entitlement is also a problem for example, you’d find among the coastal white poor in Britain. The other posts were pro-second amendment not pro-racial vigilantism. Also, for those who didn’t know and it’s not a very well-known fact, there was literal “I own you” Irish slavery in Colonial America. Yes, there were Irish indentured servants but that’s not what I’m talking about here.
English settlers in America held Irish slaves from the 1620s to the 1670s and in Barbados. They worked in the fields alongside black Africans slaves in the fields. Slave masters would often breed them together thinking their offspring made the ideal worker. In fact, at first African slaves were treated better that Irish slaves in Barbados because they came from farther away therefore were more expensive and therefore more of an investment. This is why the Africans would sometimes say the masters were “treating them like the Irish.” English slave catchers would go around kidnapping Irish men, women and children. Before their descendants were kidnapping black men, women and children and abusing and beating their black slaves, their ancestors had plenty of practice doing both to the Irish.
The Irish let’s not forget we’re also for a long time, not considered white in America. For instance, as researcher Herbert W. Byrd, Jr. noted in his book Proclamation 1625, his grandfather who was Irish was classified as coloured on his personal identification papers. It wasn’t until around the 1860s that the Irish started to be considered white. This is why in the Irish community folks would say they “could finally say they were “free, white and 21.” As to the Jesse Jackson quote, look, I know it is understandably a sensitive issue. But criminality is such a big problem in the black community. Both whites and blacks alike being afraid when they see a black person behind them isn’t racism. It’s a knee-jerk reflex we all have as humans after seeing so many black criminals being arrested on the news. To be sure, this has nothing to do with skin color or genetics but rather bad personal choices and African-American culture.
Is this reaction irrational and something we need to learn to keep in check and not make assumptions? Yes. But you can understand where it comes from. Having feelings like that isn’t racist. Allow me to provide a couple other examples. I remember I think it was on Dr. Phil, a white woman who sacred of black me. because she was raped by one. She wasn’t prejudice and worked to get past this fear, but I wouldn’t call her a racist for having it. Another example, when Liam Neeson admitted after he found out a female friend of his was raped and beaten by a black man, he admitted to just for a second wanting to kill a black man. Again, this isn’t racism, if it had been a Scot, Ulster Scot, Irishman, Welshman, German, Italian, Frenchman, Indian, Pakistani, or Arab, he would’ve wanted to kill a man from one of those groups. Again, he knew this thought was wrong and irrational and sought professional help to overcome it. Don’t label him a bigot for it.
I’d love to hear the state-sanctioned “therapy” used to treat such a malady. It’s probably one part repentance and two parts groveling, having Liam go out of his way to validate and praise likely perpetrators as equals. They can attempt every mental concoction to reshape natural, defensive human nature but it consequentially leaves us even more vulnerable than before.
As it is said and particularly so in this case “In the halls of justice the only justice is in the halls.” There is no impartiality in jury selection these days. The notion of 12 men tried and true went the way of quail at about the same time as the Johnson Administration heralded their “Great Society.” Hence that “Great Society” has cost the tax payers of the USA trillions with nothing of a great society to show for it. Additionally with the help of the great communicator Barrack Obama race relations have entered a new no go zone. Divisions not unity are the watch word. Slices of garlic too thick to melt in the melting pot. Unless there is a course correction it will not get better. One can only hope that in the fullness of time the three convicted defendants will receive some form of leniency. A sad story for a sad time.
The left here and abroad will never cease to stoke the flames of racism
Without it, they have no leverage
No way to agitate and coerce their ostensible constituents to vote for ge policies promised to solve the very problems their policies created in the first place
They need to sow chaos to justify their existence
I know, I know …. It would be good if human justice was always fair and just, but we aren’t. Even though American Constitutional Justice is a brilliant system of Law and Governance, it still falls short in certain particulars of time and human culture. I remember reading “To Kill A Mockingbird” in high school. Although I grew up in a white faced Canadian social culture, I was already aware of the sorts of racial or religious prejudice that made life difficult and unfair. On one occasion when I was about eleven years old, 1958, a group of us kids was singing an old diddy, “Eeny, Meany, Miney, Moe. Catch a n’er by the toe. If he hollers …..” my mother was hanging clothes on the line and heard us.
”Randy!!”, she yelled, “Come here right now!” My mother never yelled. I knew I was in trouble. But I didn’t know why until she firmly explained to me how I was degrading a whole race of persons not of my colour. I was properly ashamed then, and today I am glad I learned the lesson early. Such casual and demeaning racialism continues to this day, of course, even in this particular case, however ironic.
I’m glad you are keeping this case alive, Jack. It is a miscarriage of justice, and I hope it is eventually corrected and these poor men are freed to return to their loved ones who are also suffering unjustly. Making someone suffer in order to prove a point isn’t justice. It’s vengeance.
The media said the McMichael's were motivated by racism. The facts state that they were motivated by what they saw on video and the quest to get to the bottom of it all. Once you remove race from the case, what are you left with? Community conscious men who were investigating suspicious behavior amidst theft reports. That case was lost in the story line of 3 white men chasing an innocent jogger and killing him for being black. The media failed to mention that this innocent jogger would come calling after dark to "inspect" the construction site, shall we. This case was to settle the score with blacks and law enforcement. That's really what it was about.
Leo Frank was guilty. The McMichaels and Bryant were innocent.
You may be right about Frank, but the jury had convicted him before the trial started.
No, they hadn't. That's the lie the proto-ADL tried to sell.
Are you aware in 2006 in Missouri
Domestic Assault Third Degree (1st or 2nd Offense) the law stated
IF THE VICTIM felt THREATENED, you are guilty of Domestic Violence and will lose your family, kids, life and career!
Seriously…
Please fix your bad link to the 11th Circuit decision.
Steve, I realize I linked to my own pdf. If you would like to see it email me at jackcashill@yahoo.com. Thanks
No you didn't. You fixed your dead link but linked to something else. Emailing you separately.